Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. There are more multiverses in existence than stars in the sky. If that's the case, Team 2 stomps. He. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. Yeah Mxy is tough as shit, and probably wont go down. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Regardless. Thanos wins this. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. #28 ovy7. FollowRound 5: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man vs God Emperor Doom Round 6:Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God Emperor Doom Bonus Round: Protege vs God Emperor Doom This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A GregLeagueGamingAlt •. Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. COIE Anti Monitor. Whereas Spawn is equal to Spectre in terms of. EOS Li QiyVs Pre Retcon Beyonder Both are bloodlusted Both have basic knowledge of each other The battle takes place in a Nuetral location @DivineMaRound 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. The All-Mighty (SCP) vs TOAA, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and Oblivion (Marvel) All of them at their strongest. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive battle between many of the mainstream. 11 months ago. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Beyonder. 9 K. Beyonder with no sweat. No matter how you interpret the effects of the Retcon, Beyonder can no longer be stated to be above Authorial fiat. -Both at 1-A -I wonder which Beyonders are stronger now since the The Beyonders recently got upgraded into 1-A. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Pre retcon beyonder was absolutely omnipotent, the equal of the one above all. reality equals his thoughts. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. 0. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. 1 year ago. 3 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. All indications are that. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. Beyonder, when first created, could defeat Galactus, because he was. Read my post? I even tried to say that Pennywise scaling is vague, since only the void is beyond infinite-dimensional physics, and not him himself. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. Pages with a quote from this character will automatically be added here along with the quote. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. The Beyonder is bloodlusted. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. 5 years ago. That was an accident. There are Infinite, far less. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Now I made a lengthy blog detailing the powers of the Beyonder, Post-Retcon. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Sign in to edit View history Talk (0) List of all notable quotes by or about Beyonder (Earth-616). The Beyonder doesn’t know what the abstracts will say. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. 548. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. ago. u/nullfather can attest to that. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. 3. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. Originally posted by. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. #1. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Neutral Omega Beyonder has better feats. He wins. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. 3 years ago. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. Preretcon Beyonder wins. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. Protege is the embodiment of a "no-limits" fallacy though. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Wiki Points. Even The. R1 - Cosmic Cube post retcon Beyonder faces the 5, he can call for his Molecule man version if hes stomped. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. He would erase him from existence. show 3 replies . @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. Learn about his origin, power, and feats in this article. 9 years ago. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. The Beyonder and the Molecule Man, also known as Owen Reece, have a complex and tumultuous relationship. "Now now thats not true. 3. 2. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. 7 years ago. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. 14 years ago. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. Forums Battles Darkseid (True Form) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 121 results 1 2 3 #1 Soratoumiga 4 years ago #2 ProfessorRespect Beyonder. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. From what I know of Sun Wukong, he doesn't even come close to him. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. 0. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. Round 4: All-Mighty vs The three of them. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. Yglorba • 3 yr. so the Doomslayer stomps. Beyonder can destroy the concept of death to the point that above Infinite-D beings like Molecule Man couldn't kill a freaking flower and can restore it while being power depleted with just a. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pralaya. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. R. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Dr Manhattan Vs The Beyonder. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. I never understood why people tried to mesh post-retcon feats with the pre-retcon continuity, what was written after the retcon was never canon to the Beyonder arc. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Bait? 1 year ago. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. 2. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". 1 year ago. Dreamxd26. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. 4 years ago. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. remember wanda during HOM rewrote/destroyed 98 percent of the multiverse. Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. PR Beyonder can see the future, he can manipulate reality itself, he was responsible for bringing all of the heroes and villains to. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Prepare for. Jul 30, 2018. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. 4 years ago. 0. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. Lucifer is a different beast. Team 1 = Two Grain Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 7 K. The pre-retcon beyonder is aware of the writer/publishers and can threatening them so that possibly plot resistance. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. pre retcon molecule man vs. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. it would be mostly stalemate. Pre-retcon Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than the entire multiverse. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. 17 Ginriu. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Originally, the Marvel Comics' character known as The Beyonder, as portrayed during Jim Shooter's Secret Wars duology, as a nearly all-powerful entity. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. (God) 2. Follow 474. Followers. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. From Lucifer #37. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. bigbran. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. #2 blackspidey2099. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. Somebody can ask the following members to give input here though. Summary. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. And yeah he stomps. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. It's my understanding that Anti-Monitor is on a lower tier than the Living Tribunal, who in return is far below pre-retcon Beyonder. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. While pre retcon beyonder almost gets argued for a lose against toaa after a hard fought battle! So i think pre retcon beyonder = the presence. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Round 1: CAS vs. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. 103. You are confusing full power with pre retcon. Nov 6, 2017. The events of. Lucifer and Micheal are on the Tribunal's level at best. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. Beyonder was a formless mindless white space above the Multiverse, made purely. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the intelligence to use it, even Mxy does more. • 1 year ago. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. The original Beyonder was considered to be the most powerful being in the multiverse, having power surpassing Cosmic Entities, such as the Living Tribunal and Eternity. synnar the. Beyonder Wallpapers. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. R2: God stomps. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. But i think they have more "battle feats" (killed LT, killed millions/billions/or much more than that, of celestials (since they killed all of then from all multiverse). HeartLesS 25 d . Making a spite. The Beyonder is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. deactivated-5ffd6af867550. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. Reviews: 0. -5. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. No prep and no knowledge. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. 13 years agoWasn't Pre-Retcon Beyonder just a child unit of Beyonder race? He was shown that way in Deadpool's Secret Wars. #2. panos2000000 • 1 yr. Pre-retcon The Beyonder was omnipotent in his Beyondverse, outside the Multiverse, and his powers were similar to those of the Living Tribunal who was a Multiverse level entity but the original beyonder was stated to have been the strongest character in the marvel universe in terms of nigh omnipotence and omniscience. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. 13 years. . Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Aug 9, 2016. The Beyonder has been retconned. 7. As a result, for his experiment, he. . Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Dream of the Endless unable to stop Barbatos, who like Mxyzptlk, will steamroll Beyonder and Molecule Man without even trying. I will need to have cited evidence for. 2. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. No one. )Pre-Retcon Beyonder is too much for John Constantine to handle. Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. Hence why people differentiate the. vs. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. You need to be logged in to post comments. . Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. FIRST COSMOS. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. 7 Doctor Manhattan: Methodical. Forum Posts. Dec 24, 2015. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Powers are basically the same thing. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. #11. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. 14 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. ago. post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. Shuma Gorath. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. He is. ago. Lucifer is not omnipotent. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. 14 years ago. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. ". MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. He is his total opposite and equal in power. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. #1 quandaledingle. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Who is pre Retcon beyonder? Summary. the_doctor. 5 years ago. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. #20. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)PennywiseThe Crimson King. cpg357 • 4 yr. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. Follow 12318. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. . @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. #1 Omega48. 5 years ago.